How dare you try to bash Gabor Maté ? Have you looked up what he’s doing everyday of his life? He treats hardcore addicts (Actually in his own words, he TRIES to treat them, he says that if he manages to help only 5% of them he would call that a success) It’s that hard to treat hardcore addicts. Gabor Mate is just a very honest man, there is NOTHING bad about what he’s doing, that goes for most of the people in this “CULT” as you would call it, VERY honsest people who isn’t trying to make a friggin profit of it. It should be easy for you to see that but apparently it’s too hard for you people to measure peoples intentions, (asberger maybe?)
His success rates are no better than the usual twelve step programs like AA. There are thousands of 12 step counselors that I’m sure work just as hard or harder to treat hard core addicts and don’t try to develop the cult like following that Gabor Maté does.
If you really care about hard core addicts maybe you guys should see what you can do to help out the local addicts in your own community instead of trying to worship some internet celebrity and pretend to care.
Yes 5 %, What was so funny? When there is no argument, the best way is to laugh at someone to look like you won the discussion.
Well I think you have shitbergers, so there.
You just hate for the sake of hating, it’s pathetic. Go and watch some videos of Gabor Mate and you will see he is a man with a lot of knowledge.
He has so much knowledge…..
You have no argument so you attack a metaphor, really?
Nice trolling
I already made the argument in the post above, which you ignored.
I was making fun of the metaphor. The metaphor is in essence what his “lot of knowledge” consists of.
Addicts are like babies who don’t want to cope with fear and emotional pain of life in the real world. Gabor is the wet nurse who weans people off of the tit.
I was starting to watch the video you put up and once Dr. Gabor Maté said that people with ADHD use cocaine to calm down, I lol’d and said to myself that he should have just told the audience that people smoke crack in order to go to sleep. I’m really trying to figure out how enabling people stops people from doing drugs.
YES I AGREE HE IS A TROLL EH’S A ACADEMIC TROLL!!!1 OPPPSS MY MISTAKE i THOUGH THIS WAS REFERRING TO MARIOBRO. CARL IS JUST A IDIOT TROLL.
Justintempler, “His success rates are no better than the usual twelve step programs like AA” Nor has he said it is. What he is saying a lot about tho is the underlying causes, what makes people susceptible to drugs. Of course there are more people with this knowledge. But people won’t get a breaking news segment on tv explaining what he just discovered. It doesn’t work that way, it takes time and the only way things will change is if people investigate it more until we see a direct pattern. I have heard just recently many therapeutic psychologist who are saying just what Gabor is saying so I think they are right.
NO I am not saying that Gabor Matè was right, and first to discover this and should be praised, should rule the world. Stop putting words in my mouth.
I see this pattern that you put this label “You want him to be a hero” on everyone. Sure there are many like that, for example I saw this picture and wondered if it was for real.
http://i.imgur.com/qiVLTl.jpg
I am not a member on TZM, I am just simply agreeing with a lot that peter brings up in the moving forward film.
Mario Brotha
“I’m really trying to figure out how enabling people stops people from doing drugs.”
What stops people from doing drugs is to get people to have a functioning reward system, which will make people much less susceptible to drugs. That is the fundamental thing.
Do you think these hard core addicts should go to jail because they use drugs which is the only reward system they have? How can you not understand them?
These people was probably feeling miserable all their life and experienced a whole new feeling of joy when they took drugs in the beginning, and then they became addicts.
Don’t try and play victim. You’re the only person putting words in people’s mouths.
“I see this pattern that you put this label “You want him to be a hero” on everyone.”
You just made up a fake quotation and accused me of applying it to everyone…….
Are you being dishonest on purpose?
“Of course there are more people with this knowledge. But people won’t get a breaking news segment on tv explaining what he just discovered.”
If the first sentence is true, then the second sentence doesn’t make any sense.
Why should we have breaking news for something he just discovered if a lot of people already have that knowledge?
I suggest the only reason you are impressed with Gabor and agree with a lot of things in ZMF is because you are still pretty ignorant and spend way too much time getting your education from “breaking news segments” and YouTube videos.
“Do you think these hard core addicts should go to jail because they use drugs which is the only reward system they have?”
Well it seems like it’s going to happen with their luck anyways. I think sobriety should be the reward they go after. The hardcore addicts are usually the ones who put someone in danger in some way, drinking and driving, people breaking and entering your house and selling your shit for a high that only last for a few seconds, someone to drugged up and wants to fight you for no reason, someone who would steal a purse from a elderly woman, etc, you know, the ones that break law to actually feed their addiction which is illegal, back on the breaking and entering, this is why I don’t encourage enabling drug addicts, meaning from my position, just giving them money when they ask, even when they say they need it for something that’s not related to their addiction, lying in other words, because once you do that, they will rationalize and think that stealing from you is okay because they think you’re rich. If you have the patience with that person and they have taken advantage of you or not, then yeah, I would try to get them to rehab before shit gets bad. But the thing about rehab is, the hardcore drug addicts can walk out whenever and you wasted your money for nothing, so it’s a risk, I made risks like that before, sometimes I can help others by sending them to the right direction and having more personal conversations with them and try to get them to think about something besides drugs all the time, but sometimes they relapse. If the person is really trying to quit, meaning they know it’s bad for them because they know it harms them on the long run, then I might stick with them, but if they don’t want my help or anyone’s help, then jail seems like the last option for them eventually for reasons I mentioned. There’s no happy ending usually, as you said, it’s hard, but at least with jail, they are forced to go into a withdraw because they can’t just walk out like they could in rehab. I would like the hardcore addict to brush that shit off a bit before thinking about bailing him or her out. Again, risks, that’s life. Besides they’ll think about quitting more if they don’t want to be in that position again. I really don’t care about the short term for drug addicts, because it’s short, but I’m really worried about the long term effects which damages the person and watching the video you put up, Gabor seems to brush that off a bit and praises the short terms more encouraging people in the audience to experiment for fun subtly and possibly getting them stuck with the rest of the hardcore addicts that are already out there. That’s why I don’t view all these hardcore addicts [addicts period] as people who have been abused or whatever, I recognized some of them have and should be open about what happened to them which I think is a road to recovery, but I know some people who have shithouse lives and have different ways to deal with stress, music, comedy, writing, building, planting, etc. I encourage hobbies. Gabor is the type of person I can see telling a morphine addict to use cocaine to stop using morphine, yeah, he seems to be the type that uses the 19th century thinking of medicine and somehow I’m suppose to believe what he’s saying is brand new or the other shit he says as if I haven’t heard it before from other therapists, then he stresses that what he says isn’t in textbooks, his arrogance [which I know he realizes he has] is hilarious, that’s the impression I got from him and I don’t know much about him to be honest. Other than that, I don’t really give a shit about him or any experts in the film, I don’t think a RBE can work anyways.
First of all, an honest text, I like that.
Gabor says that a person who hasn’t their needs met:
A non stressed parent
An emotionally available parent
A Present parent
Parenting Caregiver
Will not develop certain circuits and therefore will suffer a higher risk to self meditate. So it’s inst just abuse that causes this, every addicts hasn’t get punched in the face everyday as a child…
You mention that these people with shithouse lives can deal with stress etc, what do you know whats inside their brain? Maybe they have that ability since they got their needs met as children?
“and somehow I’m suppose to believe what he’s saying is brand new or the other shit he says as if I haven’t heard it before from other therapists”
No you are not. I have seen several lectures when he says “and this is nothing new” etc. I don’t get where you get that from.
This has nothing to do with RBE for that matter. It is about giving children what they need so that they don’t become problems and most importantly so that they can have good lives. It is all very logic, today’s parents are stressed and many of they not emotionally available for their children.
“Will not develop certain circuits and therefore will suffer a higher risk to self meditate.”
I think single parents [for an example] can manage to raise healthy children. Even parents working, both the father and mother can still give those needs as the parents go to work and children go to school, they both also have uncles, aunts, grandparents, godparents, etc that can surround them with emotional needs.
“So it’s inst just abuse that causes this, every addicts hasn’t get punched in the face everyday as a child…”
Wow that’s crazy, well, if we’re talking about child abuse, then I would recommend reading the article that justintempler just posted, I’ll provide an excerpt:
Vincent Felitti conducted a huge epidemiological study on early childhood experiences. He found that only a tiny group (3.5%) of people with 4 or more adverse childhood experiences became involved in injection drug use.
“You mention that these people with shithouse lives can deal with stress etc, what do you know whats inside their brain?”
If you’re asking how I know they can deal with stress without doing drugs, then I think I just proved it, twice.
“I have seen several lectures when he says “and this is nothing new” etc. I don’t get where you get that from.”
Then he contradicted himself with the textbook comment he made in the video you put up.
“This has nothing to do with RBE for that matter.”
Got it.
“It is all very logic, today’s parents are stressed and many of they not emotionally available for their children.”
Everyone gets stressed but they are not paralyzed by it.
“Everyone gets stressed but they are not paralyzed by it.”
That comment is interesting because it’s right, now how come some doesn’t handle it well? Because the children didn’t have their needs met according to Gabor. A newborn baby is premature even after 9 months, it has certain needs that will develop certain parts of the brain. Many addicts have a hard time with impulse control etc.
We aren’t talking about the same stress here (or the stress may in some cases be equal with that person cannot handle that stress), it has nothing to do with free will. Since so many people don’t want to do drugs yet they do it anyway, you can’t say that those people are lazy or whatever because maybe they aren’t, maybe they don’t have the tools in their brain to deal with it.
“That comment is interesting because it’s right, now how come some doesn’t handle it well?”
Don’t ?
Because they are more addicted to the amount of dopamine they get from which ever drugs, so I kind of disagree when Gabor says the drugs are not the blame themselves to getting people addicted. Obviously some of them are very addictive. As he explained, that cocaine releases your dopamine to 300% and crystal meth releases your dopamine to 1200%, the higher the percentage, the more intense the high you get. But I think even people who have nice lives could drift along and become hardcore addicts themselves because of the dopamine rush as well, as he mentioned in this video, the more the rat mothers lick their babies, they become less curious, as he also explained in the video, dopamine makes us explore and wonder. Yes he said this. But he doesn’t take that into account and just makes you focus on the so-called abused drug addicts only. By the way, the woman he talked about in the beginning of this video is not someone I would consider to be an abused person, the only one I thought was being abused was the baby she left in the dryer as she went out to some bar to flirt with some guys and continue being an alcoholic, that baby is going to become an adult and turn into a ball when he gets rejected in some way due to his implicit memory. Oh and his relationship advice is just great, if you’re going stay with a drug addict, he says to try not to change them in order to make them quit and if you still want to change them, then you should leave the person. That’s probably why people judge drug addicts so much, not because the people that are judging are guilty themselves being addicts, if they were addicts, they would be friends, not one being judged and the one judging, as he said, our brains not knowing we’re doing it, as he concluded in the video. I also disagree on ignoring family history.
“A newborn baby is premature even after 9 months, it has certain needs that will develop certain parts of the brain.”
I agree with Dr. Gabor Maté that without atonement, the child no matter what age I think will feel neglected, then could lead to depression, then could lead to drugs. But I’m sure family therapy could help the atoning, therefore, help the brain.
“We aren’t talking about the same stress here (or the stress may in some cases be equal with that person cannot handle that stress), it has nothing to do with free will.”
I’m still not understanding why he’s promoting cocaine as the solution, again, as he said, the “stimulant” this time, to get people to stop doing drugs. He does a great job on defining the parts of your brain, but then he tells you about Vietnam again and how the first year when people came back to the US, 20% of them were heroin addicts, then a few years later, only 1% came back as heroin addicts, I’m willing to bet the recovery wasn’t due to introducing soldiers to ayahuasca, they had what Gabor accuses addicts not having, the “free won’t”. So he contradicts himself again and not knows it and you defend that and I don’t get it.
“This lecture is good”
My impulse control said it sucked, my grey matter said it’s better for discussion.
I thought this was interesting to share:
Jim O’Rourke, who’s been a recovering intravenous heroin user for 17 years, said he doesn’t agree with the Insite approach because it enables drug use and costs taxpayers millions of dollars.
O’Rourke said he didn’t have an opinion on what Clement said.
O’Rourke runs recovery homes in suburban Surrey and Langley that promote abstinence while housing addicts for a year.
“For me, death is active addiction,” he said. “That’s the land of the living dead.”
O’Rourke said he was “a pain in the ass” to society for years before he cleaned up his act following a stint in jail.
“I broke every law on the planet to get more dope,” he said, adding he once imported drugs from around the world for the Big Circle Boys gang and the Hells Angels.
“What got me clean was a hammer over my head.”
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